Hi Lo
When we start a society, the goal must be very general because, the the size and quality of the problem is still not known. We may start with a small objective such as upating all Hokkien words that we can find and recollect from both written and oral history.
We have from examples in this forum, how sometimes oral and written words can be conflicting. Thus this small objective would including what have been generally left out by many dictionaries, so that it will lessen our ignorance and brighten our sphere of thoughts.
Any comments Lo?
Tang Loon Kong
Shanghai, China
Let's start a Minnan society!
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阿lo
Re: Let's start a Minnan society!
Hi Tang,
Thank you on your reply, and your suggestion is very encouraging. First my suggestion is to open up a free blog, like blogger.com where we can organize a more formal website. Sort of a storage to information about minnan. History, Culture, Tradition and Languages and so on. I can open an account within this few days. Until then we can start looking for contributors.
thanks,
Alo
Thank you on your reply, and your suggestion is very encouraging. First my suggestion is to open up a free blog, like blogger.com where we can organize a more formal website. Sort of a storage to information about minnan. History, Culture, Tradition and Languages and so on. I can open an account within this few days. Until then we can start looking for contributors.
thanks,
Alo
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adrix
Re: Let's start a Minnan society!
I am from Penang.阿lo wrote:Hi Tang,
Thank you on your reply, and your suggestion is very encouraging. First my suggestion is to open up a free blog, like blogger.com where we can organize a more formal website. Sort of a storage to information about minnan. History, Culture, Tradition and Languages and so on. I can open an account within this few days. Until then we can start looking for contributors.
thanks,
Alo
I am some sort doing the same thing here. I am now gathering those who are willing to protect endangered chinese dialects (not only Hokkien) in malaysia.
I hv just started a yahoogroup for discussion on arranging strategies for ensuring survival of these dialects.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DialectsRevivalist/
There are a lot of websites discussing about minnan dialects.
There are tonnes of ppl who r keen in protecting minnan cultures.
http://www.pkucn.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=97
But most of them are just constraining themselves on the internet, the cyber world.
I wish to meet more ppl who have the will to contribute him/herself on tangible and effective efforts.
what we need now is "STEP OUT" from this cyber world to really invest our efforts and, of course, money. A strong coalition that really fight for language survival is very very essential.
There is no use if everyone just stay back on the net and keep on doing the same thing. Eg: creating websites etc. The public will not know what you are doing and the efforts will mostly in vain...
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hong
adrix,
If you talk about money,let each huiguan do the job by donating books to people from the individual sect like fuqing give away fuqing book, nanan give way NanAn ,Meixian hakka give away hakka,Zhangzhou give away zhangzhou etc.It is not by starting a web site group to talk about which step should be taken.You and I don't have PhD in chinese dialect and the same case goes for WEI from penang.He doesn't study properly his teochew and minnan but he keeps on asking people to learn chinese dialects.That is very embarrassed ,I think.
We should first learn properly our dialect first rather than concerning about others.Are you already good enough to teach teochew people 5 kinds of teochew now?If not,just concentrate on your teochew studies.
Let huiguan give away books is the best way to improve chinese dialects even for those guys living in china.
If you talk about money,let each huiguan do the job by donating books to people from the individual sect like fuqing give away fuqing book, nanan give way NanAn ,Meixian hakka give away hakka,Zhangzhou give away zhangzhou etc.It is not by starting a web site group to talk about which step should be taken.You and I don't have PhD in chinese dialect and the same case goes for WEI from penang.He doesn't study properly his teochew and minnan but he keeps on asking people to learn chinese dialects.That is very embarrassed ,I think.
We should first learn properly our dialect first rather than concerning about others.Are you already good enough to teach teochew people 5 kinds of teochew now?If not,just concentrate on your teochew studies.
Let huiguan give away books is the best way to improve chinese dialects even for those guys living in china.
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hong
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Guest
hong,
if u say so, and u sound a bit RUDE, u must be too 'wooden' n unaware of the current situation in the country. you can't just stay back and 'mind your own business' when the whole society is undergoing a massive language shift, abandoning dialects.
there are uncountable websites discussing about minnan languages. just google it if u dun believe. u may join them if u r interested, but not creating another similar thing and discuss all them again. it's just a waste of time.
plz dun put too much hope on those huiguan/assoc. most of them are just sleeping and most of the ppl in there love politics rather than cultural stuff. the main prob they are hving are lack of participation of youngsters, some of them are too snobbish to accept new ideas.
the dialects in m'sia has undergone a big change after being seperated from its motherland. you can't expect ppl to learn and speak the language exactly the same in china. there are a lot of things we need do such as seek help in standardization etc. no PhD on minnan language doesn't meant that you can't do non-academic stuff. there is no hope of survival if everyone still 'mind their own business'.
if u say so, and u sound a bit RUDE, u must be too 'wooden' n unaware of the current situation in the country. you can't just stay back and 'mind your own business' when the whole society is undergoing a massive language shift, abandoning dialects.
there are uncountable websites discussing about minnan languages. just google it if u dun believe. u may join them if u r interested, but not creating another similar thing and discuss all them again. it's just a waste of time.
plz dun put too much hope on those huiguan/assoc. most of them are just sleeping and most of the ppl in there love politics rather than cultural stuff. the main prob they are hving are lack of participation of youngsters, some of them are too snobbish to accept new ideas.
the dialects in m'sia has undergone a big change after being seperated from its motherland. you can't expect ppl to learn and speak the language exactly the same in china. there are a lot of things we need do such as seek help in standardization etc. no PhD on minnan language doesn't meant that you can't do non-academic stuff. there is no hope of survival if everyone still 'mind their own business'.
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hong
Adria,
You have serious contradiction about learning chinese dialects. What Fuqing huiguan done last year about a VCD is the only way to standardise their fuqing language for their children which is not the same with fuzhou and gutian,etc.There are enough chinese dialects in each school,we don't need another new sect.Prof.from China can accept we use some malay,thai but not to the level of inventing new words.until it become a new kind of language and still call it a minnan /hakka,etc.They also use words like agak,agak-agak for at least (500 times in a web site)in xiamen story telling.
I ask you to study 5 kinds of teochew is for you to teach people teochew .Even Normal people will ask what is chaoan,what is puning language..Don't underestimate them by just saying learning teochew means learning one sect-chaoshan.
I cannot see what is your way of teaching people chinese dialects in malaysia yet there is no need for a purer form.When we sit in a class ,we will be interested to learn that language properly but if we are not ,there is no need for any kind of class.Everything just *hantam saja*is enough for most people who are not interested.
You have serious contradiction about learning chinese dialects. What Fuqing huiguan done last year about a VCD is the only way to standardise their fuqing language for their children which is not the same with fuzhou and gutian,etc.There are enough chinese dialects in each school,we don't need another new sect.Prof.from China can accept we use some malay,thai but not to the level of inventing new words.until it become a new kind of language and still call it a minnan /hakka,etc.They also use words like agak,agak-agak for at least (500 times in a web site)in xiamen story telling.
I ask you to study 5 kinds of teochew is for you to teach people teochew .Even Normal people will ask what is chaoan,what is puning language..Don't underestimate them by just saying learning teochew means learning one sect-chaoshan.
I cannot see what is your way of teaching people chinese dialects in malaysia yet there is no need for a purer form.When we sit in a class ,we will be interested to learn that language properly but if we are not ,there is no need for any kind of class.Everything just *hantam saja*is enough for most people who are not interested.
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hong
people in malaysian are interested to learn proper chinese dialects but just no books are available in bookshop..If the books are without audio,it is still unhelpful .
Every trip to china will help us to learn properly.My friend's hokkien trip at least let him know people in chuanchiu only use seh but not kong for speak.Chiangchiu use chua for who,etc.
Some tone sandhi are completely wrong like the word for morning is not the same between xiamen/chiangchiu and chuanchiu.
Every trip to china will help us to learn properly.My friend's hokkien trip at least let him know people in chuanchiu only use seh but not kong for speak.Chiangchiu use chua for who,etc.
Some tone sandhi are completely wrong like the word for morning is not the same between xiamen/chiangchiu and chuanchiu.
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hong