Some terms in Hokkien that I never quite figured out...

Mark Yong · Post by **Mark Yong** » Mon May 09, 2005 3:02 pm

Casey wrote: lo2 mO7 = 老（上老下毛)
mo5 sin5 = 魔神 (acting abnormally)

They are not the same "mO" Hanzi?

hong · Post by **hong** » Mon May 09, 2005 11:50 pm

no,not the same 魔。It can be also a verb for cheating.魔農的錢

hong · Post by **hong** » Wed May 11, 2005 12:24 am

Mark,
The word you give is the same -it is just 簡體 of 錄/录。
There is another word for digging a hole-- hand radical on the left with 威on the right=ui1.

Mark Yong · Post by **Mark Yong** » Wed May 11, 2005 4:43 am

hong wrote:Mark,
The word you give is the same -it is just 簡體 of 錄/录。

Hi, Hong,

My dictionary distinguishes between the meanings for 錄 and 录. 錄 is "to record", i.e. 記錄. 录 is defined as 刻木.

Sorry, I know this is more related to Chinese language than Minnan.

hong · Post by **hong** » Wed May 11, 2005 5:18 am

Prof.Chiu gives 錄 but since Kangxi dict do record down that lu,maybe he will change it in his new dict.Experts always change their mind
many simplified hanzi are old invention but not recent invention.
We don't have 12 volumes of hanyudacidian /3 vol of hanyudazidian/zhonghuazihai /12 vol zhongwendacidian from taiwan and certainly we haven't read yunshu.Do you have玉篇﹐釋名。Our old chinese language knowledge are very poor.

niuc · Post by **niuc** » Wed May 11, 2005 2:39 pm

hong wrote:no,not the same 魔。It can be also a verb for cheating.魔農的錢

Hong, when 魔 is used as a verb ("to cheat"), is it read as mo`8? In my dialect, mo`8 means to cheat money or to deny after doing/saying something.

hong · Post by **hong** » Thu May 12, 2005 12:15 am

there is a 起魔 khi 2monn5 耍賴﹐無理的糾纏。act shamelessly.

hong · Post by **hong** » Thu May 12, 2005 9:56 am

mark,I find one of my taiwanese dict did put 彔空lak-khang。So this is the benzi although Northern people may be use it only meaning 彫刻 ,it has nothing to do with gb form of 錄 .
I still can't understand 廣韻 explanation of it 本也(maybe it means old kind of books).說文解字 commentary give 彔彔 as busy.

hong · Post by **hong** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:22 am

just post some benzi
必=pit 4 broken 說文解字--分極也。
舒=cu1,cw1 廣雅-展也 (舖開)
瞀 =bu7 集韻-目不明 blur
片+分=ping5,puinn5 =side 集韻片也
欶=su 說文解字-吮也 suck
I think this word is good for us to speak about dating of lover 談戀愛-cam3pueh4 pah4 參八百(with man radical in the left for 參)

hong · Post by **hong** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:57 am

sorry,above last word radical is step.The word cam means moving.,its original mean is running 800 meters