E hiao? Boe Hiao?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:20 am

yeah, I meant that I just forgotten some facts about the voiced g in Tio Chiu

What I saw in the same category as 疑 was 鹅 but I forgot.
In normal rule, 我 should be the same head as 鹅 also (as in most of Chinese).

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:29 am

疑母 still survives in Hakka and some Cantonese (but not voiced g).
It's quite bad to use Mandarin since they ahve lost the 疑 initial.

So Minnan has real difference of -h and -k. (voiced glottal vs velar stop)
any distinct-reading examples? e.g. pek vs peh ?

hong · Post by **hong** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:08 am

疑母 in hakka and cantonese is ng,h ﹐kh or zero consonant.

hong · Post by **hong** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:28 am

客= 苦格切閩南白讀=kh+eh,文讀 kh+ik .hakka 白讀 h+ak,文讀 kh+iet. The hanzi 苦 and 格 in both have the exact sound of wen and bai.So h stop in teochew and minnan have theory from the 反切 in standard chinese.Fuzhou drop p,t,k and change to h .

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:45 am

One example:

pak8 = to tie
pak4 = north

pah4 = hundred

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:20 am

Andrew wrote:One example:

pak8 = to tie
pak4 = north

pah4 = hundred

So it's like 北 vs 百. Any other examples?

hong · Post by **hong** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:28 pm

I cannot see what is the point you ask about this.Minnan with h combine with others like ennh,annh,iannh,oonnh,etc will have more vowel.This will make minnan richer even for some strange sound effect.
Imagine that Wu languages are older than min languages but now they have only 50 vowel .Their p,t,k become h.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:53 am

sorry.. did you mean to talk about "rime"s not "vowel"s?

classical Chiense definition of yunmu 韵母 (a, i, u, an, ing, ong etc.) is not the same as Vowels (a,i,u,e,o).

Glottalized syllables with nasalized vowels are quite strange for me. More example on words containing -nnh?

hong · Post by **hong** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:01 pm

When we define any han language,we will look at how many yunmu it have .It will be any kind of vowel or along with consonant like p,t,k,h.
minnh =物。 ninnh =躡﹐捏 .hannh4 暍 (This is the word where 哈韓﹐哈日 came from)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:26 pm

Wu also have much palatalization as Mandarin. (change of ki into ji-like sound). Wu also dropped the Rusheng -p -t -k ending into -q (glottal stop), dropped -m -n -ng into nasalization. Thus the number of the rimes decrease considerably.

Is the -nnh only in Bai-du?

物躡 have nasal initials in Cantonese.

What are 暍, 哈韓﹐哈日?