The passive voice in Hokkien - 畀 or 給?

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:53 pm

The use of 與 / 予 in the passive is quite common in Minnan, together with khit 乞.

In 文言文 apparently several constructions were possible:

A V 於 B
A 見 B V
A 為 B V
A 為 B 所 V

I have trouble inputting tnglangji from my Mac at home.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:05 pm

乞 is with entering tone in Cantonese

niuc · Post by **niuc** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:34 am

In my dialect it seems that 去 khy3 is the correct one: 伊予人騙去 i1 ho`7-lang5-phian3_khy0, sometimes even 伊去予人騙去 i1 khy3-ho`7-lang5-phian3_khy0 (khy3 used twice for emphasis).

ong · Post by **ong** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:53 am

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ong · Post by **ong** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:18 pm

In cuanciu 乞 is no longer used as a verb meaning give.It is ony used as 嫁，娶，乞买。
teochew,putian,fuzhou still use this word as give.

ong · Post by **ong** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:12 am

niuc wrote:In my dialect it seems that 去 khy3 is the correct one: 伊予人騙去 i1 ho`7-lang5-phian3_khy0, sometimes even 伊去予人騙去 i1 khy3-ho`7-lang5-phian3_khy0 (khy3 used twice for emphasis).

I found that one of the teochew sects 澄海 use khir 给， see article by 林伦伦 1994。Maybe your ancestors learnt it from them.Normally teochew vowel for this word 乞 is eh

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The passive voice in Hokkien - 畀 or 給?