Tong an sect

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Tong an sect

Post by ong »

Hi Niu,
I can't get tong an theses but I can type out 同安县志 。You can see it is 112 for yinqu
阴平 44 sandhi 22
阳平 24 sandhi 11
上 31 凡下字高调如阴平、阴入 或升调 ,变读为 22 。凡下字低调如阴去和阳去变读为 24。
阴去 112 sandhi 42
阳去 22 sandhi 11
阴入 32 下字为上声的,由32 升为 42。下字为非上声的,升为 4
阳入 53 sandhi 1.
同安 er ,灌口、海沧 ue
同安 ir 灌口西北部 、海沧西部 i.其余地区发 u 韵母。灌口有 i,u 两读
同安 ng 灌口、海沧 uinn
同安 inn 灌口、海沧 Enn
同安 ainn 莞口、海沧 an.杏林 ing

(to be continued)
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Post by niuc »

Hi Hong

Thanks a lot for the information. :D I really appreciate this. It seems that there are many variants in 同安 Tang5-ua*1 [especially the vowels]. Based on your information, my variant is similar to 灌口(西北部).

The tones indeed sound like my variant, with some exceptions. In my variant:
陰入 sounds like 上聲 but having sandhi(s) as in your posting
陰去 is 11 rather than 112
陽平 is 14 rather than 24 [as in your posting, 24 is the sandhi of 上聲]

Again, thanks for the info.
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Post by ong »

Niu,
We have to wait and see will there be any tone pitch table on 灌口话 ,集美话 etc .Those longhai/tongan 腔 sects are not considered by them as tongan hua.But sects I mentioned with yangshang in 翔安 are still considered as tongan hua
I can find only a few special words
来洗 lai sue =来月经
khun(hanzi is sleep) =过性生活
pin =side (no mention of ainn vowel version)
to khir,行啦 kiann2 la1 =死
tshu lai =wife
Again Prof zhang 500 pages thesis is a must .
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Post by niuc »

Hong, thanks. Those sample words/phrases I have heard before, except the first one. For the last one, I am more familiar with the term 家內 ke1-lai7.
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Post by ong »

地名异读
祥路 tsiunn6 loo6
霞路 e6 loo6
莲湖 tiam2 oo2
朱紫市 tir1 a3 tshi6
铁史港 thih7 sai3 hang6
以上大同镇
城场 si1 tiunn2
窗东 thang1 thau
后叶 au6 ih8
后滨 au6 pinn1
朱坑 tsiau3 khinn1
古垵 kho3 uann1
何厝 ua2 tshu
小后者 sio au6 tsia6
以上马巷镇
东界 tang1 ue5
四滨 sai1 pinn
桂园 kuah7 hng2
下后滨 e6 au6 pinn
霞浯 e6 goo2
以上新店镇
古店 khoo3 tainn5
莲前 niann2 tsainn2
莲后 niann2 au6
马池内 ber3 thau2 lai6
以上内厝镇
三忠宫 sam1 koong1 king
古来潭 koo1 tai1 tham2
御上山 her2 siunn6 suann1
以上洪塘镇
何宅 ua2 theh8
何垄 ua2 lang2
御宅 gu2 theh8
温溪 un3 khue1
东寺庄 tang1 e6 tsng1
以上新圩镇
美珠堂 ber3 tsu1 tng2
茂安 boo6 am1
缉熙亭 tship7 a3 tan2
以上五显镇
何厝 ua2 tshu
卿朴 khinn1 phah7
渐前 tsinn6 tsainn2
泥山 thoo2 suann1
以上西柯镇
霞尾 e6 ber3
西湖塘 sai1 goo2 tng2
乙亩 ut7 boo3
走马人 tshau3 ninn3 lang2
美宅 ber3 theh8
以上新民镇
坤泽洋 kuan1 te5 iunn2
褒美 poo1 ber3
西源 sai1 hng2
荏畲 la2 tsua2
以上汀溪镇
新莲 sin1 tainn5
幕边 boo6 painn
云标 iunn2 pio1
盖集美 kuah7 tin2 ber3
以上莲花镇
桥上kio6 tsiunn 风南农场
Those without any tone mark are light tone if I am not wrong.Tong an is not the only place with unusual pronunciation
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Post by ong »

er1 is mentioned as kill.I have no idea about this.
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Post by niuc »

A friend of mine often uses er1 in joking manner. Nowadays very few people [of my hometown] use that term. Elders use it for animal in the sense of "to kill the animal and cook it". So er1 here may be derived from 鍋 er1 (cooking pot).
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