Need Help

hays · Post by **hays** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:08 pm

Hi,

I need some help from you guys who understand hokkiens.
Lately I have made a visit to an old aunt and she showed me an old book with chinese characters and told me that it is a familytree book from the Huang (Her surname is Huang) and made by her late father round 1930.

During the conversation she said that in when she was young she oftenly came to the house of my great grandfather and had to call her 'older uncle' (mpek) to him, which is surprised me since her older brother was a classmate of my late father. (So my father should call his friend as a younger grandfather).

Anyway, after I asked her, she mentioned she is also related with my family through my great grandfather, and she showed me a short translation of the book in dutch and she pointed me to a name 'anniang' who married someone called 'yang benli'. To my surprise, I looked to my own familytree book which I myself prepared, the father of my grandfather was 'Yeo Poen Lie' and his wife 'Oey An Nio'.

To make the story short, I have here some names writen in pinyin and I like to have the hokkien name for that, since I like to know the name of my family.

Huang Chongwen, married with Hong had 2 sons : Gaozhang & Gaopan and 2 daughters (not mentioned)
Huang Chongwen married for 2nd time with Pan from 'Laosuxiao' and 4 sons : Jingfu, Jingxing, Jingxi and Jingcai + 2 daughters Anniang married with Yang Benli and Shunniang married with Ye Qing'an.

Jingfu married Xue and had 1 son Quanxin and 1 daughter Yiren who was married to Liu Furen.
Jingfu married again with Guo and had 1 son Quan'an and 2 daughters Guiniang who was married with Kang Yongsong and Duiniang who was married with Lin Wanying.

Jingxing married with Chen and had 3 sons : Wanxing, Wangui en Wanmei. 3 daughters : Renniang who was married with Zheng Dexin, Senniang who was married with Wen Baoguan and Zhiniang.

Jingxi married Shi had 2 sons Qi'an and Tiangui. 4 daughters : Linniang who was married with Chen Bochuan, Meiniang who was married with Liu Songzhen, Zhuniang who was married Chen Fangshan and Yueniang who was married with Wu Xinguang.

Jingcai married Chen Jinniang, third daughter of Chen Guide and had 5 sons and 5 daughters.
Sons are : Tianquan, Tianlu, Tianying, Tianrui and Tianji
Daughters are : Linniang who was married with Chen Jinji, Meiniang who died at the age of 16 years, Manchi who was married with Xue Banfeng, Hongniang who was married with Liu Luoyan and Sizhi who was married with Lin Zhaoqing.

This Tianji was the father of my aunt and in our local language known as Oey Thiam Kie (Indonesian Hokkiens).

If you can translate all those names into Hokkiens, I will be very grateful.

Regards,
Steve Haryono - Yeo Tjong Hian

duaaagiii · Post by **duaaagiii** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:01 am

Do you have the Chinese characters for all those names?

hays · Post by **hays** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:01 am

I have, but it is on a book consist almosy 70 pages and since I myself can't read chinese, it is difficult for me to bring it visual here in chinese characters. I can scan the 3-4 pages and send it to you if you want.

Thanks,
Steve

duaaagiii · Post by **duaaagiii** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:35 pm

Taking pictures of the pages with a digital camera will probably be good enough. Without the Chinese characters, the best we can do is make wild guesses.

hays · Post by **hays** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:39 pm

Hi duaaagiii,

I have scanned the last 9 pages from the book and put it in :
http://www.haryono.net/misc/huangchongwen.pdf

Thanks,
Steve

duaaagiii · Post by **duaaagiii** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:56 pm

Format:
1. Mandarin pinyin
2. Chinese characters
3. TL romanization, followed by a comma
4. An example of how the name might be romanized (since there is no set standard)

I've added shi/氏/si7/see to all of the wives' names. A few of the names in pinyin were incorrect, so I've corrected those.

Huang Chongwen, married with Hong had 2 sons : Gaozhang & Gaopan and 2 daughters (not mentioned)
Huang Chongwen married for 2nd time with Pan from 'Laosuxiao' and 4 sons : Jingfu, Jingxing, Jingxi and Jingcai + 2 daughters Anniang married with Yang Benli and Shunniang married with Ye Qing'an.

Huang Chongwen's name got cut off

Hong (shi) 洪氏 ang5(--si7), Ang (See)
Gaozhang 高掌 ko1-tsiong2, Ko-chiong
Gaopan 高攀 ko1-phan1, Ko-phan
Pan (shi), 番氏 Phoa (See)
Jingfu 景福 king2-hok4, Keng-hok
Jingxing 景星 king2-sing1, Keng-seng
Jingxi 景禧 king2-hi1, Keng-hee
Jingcai 景彩 king2-tshai2, Keng-chai
Anniang 安娘 an1-nioo5, An-nio
Yang Benli 楊本利 ionn5 pun2-li7, Yeo Pun-lee
Ye Qing'an 葉清安 iap8 tshing1-an1, Yap Cheng-an

Jingfu married Xue and had 1 son Quanxin and 1 daughter Yiren who was married to Liu Furen.
Jingfu married again with Guo and had 1 son Quan'an and 2 daughters Guiniang who was married with Kang Yongsong and Duiniang who was married with Lin Wanying.

Xue (shi) 薛氏 sih4(--si7), See (see)
Quanxin 全信 tsuan5-sin3, Choan-seen
Yiren 宜仁 gi5-jin5, Gee-jin
Liu Fuwen 劉富文 lau5 hu3-bun5, Lau Hoo-boon

Guo (shi) 郭氏 kueh4(--si7), Kweh (see)
Quan'an 全安 tsuan5-an1, Choan-an
Guiniang 貴娘 kui3-nioo5, Kooi-nio
Kang Yongsong 康永松 khng1 ing2-siong5, Khng Eng-siong
Duiniang 對娘 tui3-nioo5, Tui-nio
Lin Wenrong 林文榮 lim5 bun5-ing5, Lim Boon-eng

Jingxing married with Chen and had 3 sons : Wanxing, Wangui en Wanmei. 3 daughters : Renniang who was married with Zheng Dexin, Senniang who was married with Wen Baoguan and Zhiniang.

Chen (shi) 陳氏 tan5(--si7), Tan (see)
Wanxing 萬興 ban7-hing1, Ban-heng
Wangui 萬貴 ban7-kui3, Ban-kooi
Wanmei 萬美 ban7-bi2, Ban-bee
Renniang 仁娘 jin5-nioo5, Lin-nio
Zheng Dexin 鄭德信 tenn7 tik4-sin3, Tay Tek-seen
Linniang 森娘 lim5-nioo5, Lin-nio
Wen Baoquan 溫寶全 un1 po2-tsuan5, Oon Po-chuan
Zhiniang 質娘 tsit4-nioo5, Chit-nio

Jingxi married Shi had 2 sons Qi'an and Tiangui. 4 daughters : Linniang who was married with Chen Bochuan, Meiniang who was married with Liu Songzhen, Zhuniang who was married Chen Fangshan and Yueniang who was married with Wu Xinguang.

Shi (shi) 施氏 si1(--si7), See (see)
Tian'an 添安 thiam1-an1, Thiam-an
Tiangui 添貴 thiam1-kui3, Thiam-kooi
Lianniang 蓮娘 lian5-nioo5, Lian-nio
Chen Bochuan 陳伯川 tan5 pik4-tshuan1, Tan Pek-choan
Meiniang 梅娘 mue5-nioo5, Mue-nio
Lin Songzhen 林松貞 lim5 siong5-tsing1, Lim Siong-cheng
Zhuniang 竹娘 tik4-nioo5, Tek-nio
Chen Fangchen 陳芳琛 tan5 hong1-thim1, Tan Hong-thim
Yueniang 月娘 gueh8-nioo5, Gweh-nio
Wu Xinguang 吳心廣 goo5 sim1-kong2, Goo Sim-kong

Jingcai married Chen Jinniang, third daughter of Chen Guide and had 5 sons and 5 daughters.
Sons are : Tianquan, Tianlu, Tianying, Tianrui and Tianji
Daughters are : Linniang who was married with Chen Jinji, Meiniang who died at the age of 16 years, Manchi who was married with Xue Banfeng, Hongniang who was married with Liu Luoyan and Sizhi who was married with Lin Zhaoqing.

Chen Jingniang 陳錦娘 tan5 kim2-nioo5, Tan Kim-nio
Tianquan 添全 thiam1-tsuan5, Thiam-choan
Tianlu 添祿 thiam1-lok8, Thiam-lok
Tianying 添英 thiam1-ing1, Thiam-eng
Tianrui 添瑞 thiam1-sui7, Thiam-sooi
Tianji 添基 thiam1-ki1, Thiam-kee
Liniang 娳娘, li7-nioo5, Lee-nio
Chen Hongji 陳宏基 tan5 hong5-ki1, Tan Hong-kee
Heniang 盒娘 ap8-nioo5, Ap-nio
Manchi 滿池 buan5-ti5, Boan-tee
Xue Banfeng 薛板風 sih4 pan2-hong1, See Pan-hong
Hongniang 紅娘 ang5-nioo5, Ang-nio
Lin Qiyuan 林啟源 lim5 khe2-guan5, Lim Khe-goan
Sizhi 思志 su1-tsi3, Su-chee
Lin Chaoqing 林朝慶 lim5 tiao1-khing3, Lim Tiao-kheng

hays · Post by **hays** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:08 am

Hi duaaagiii,

Thank you so much for your effort. If you read the whole 9 pages, are there any other names which are not mentioned in translation ?

Again thank you,
regards,

Steve

SimL · Post by **SimL** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:07 am

Hi Steve,

Looks like you're in Rotterdam doing family research, and I'm in Amsterdam doing the same.

Nice to see!

Sim.

hays · Post by **hays** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:43 pm

Hi SimL,

Yes, I live in Rotterdam, and have a hobby as collecting familytrees from chinese family who lives (lived) in Java/Indonesia.

I believe you are from Penang right ? I am going to Penang next November to check about Khoe family (in Penang should be Khoo) from central Java is related with the the one in Penang. They have almost the same generation names.

Steve

duaaagiii · Post by **duaaagiii** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:44 pm

hays wrote:Hi duaaagiii,

Thank you so much for your effort. If you read the whole 9 pages, are there any other names which are not mentioned in translation ?

Again thank you,
regards,

Steve

You're welcome. The names you listed, excluding the two parents, are only those of the 19th generation, their spouses and their children, which are listed on pages 1--3. The six remaining pages cover generations 20 and 21.