Dear mr Ong,
You asked me about my opinion of my ancestors possibly originating from Penglai
I am happy and thankfull with every bit of advice that could lead me to my ancestral village. For now, I am only sure that my family Lie came from Fujian: the way the names of my ancestors Chong To and Chang Hok was pronounced clearly indicate that they spoke Hokkien. On the tombstones only the characters of 蓬山 were mentioned (1890 and 1907) and 龍溪 (1916). I don't know if both places refer to the same place, or that either one of them refers to a mythical place of origin of the family, while the other indicates the place were the family last lived before leaving China.
If you say that Pengsan may be the same place as Penglai, that may very well be true and it would not be hard for me to accept. I just don't know.
The fact that you have found the combination 蓬莱龙溪 is very interesting. Exactly where do I have to look for 龙溪? Is this a different place than the current city of Zhangzhou?
Would there be any means to find out if there was a quite rich family Lie in Penglai around 1800-1840? Stories that I noted in the family indicate that Chong To arrived around that time in Indonesia.
regards,
Elmer
Who can help me with the transcription of this tombstone?
We can find a lot of places with the same in China like 南安官桥 is not the same with 安溪官桥 in quanzhou.
The problem is you don't have complete address.The taxi driver will take you to longxi after you arrived in penglai from Amoy.Inside longxi there are five areas which you don't know where is your ancestors came from.Your surname doesn't match with that longxi but other 4 villages in penglai do have surname LEE.
That is the biggest problem.
The problem is you don't have complete address.The taxi driver will take you to longxi after you arrived in penglai from Amoy.Inside longxi there are five areas which you don't know where is your ancestors came from.Your surname doesn't match with that longxi but other 4 villages in penglai do have surname LEE.
That is the biggest problem.
Ah, I think I finally understand.
So Penglai is made up of 30 villages, or suburbs. 5 of them have Li (Li3) as most common name: Zhulin, Hongfu, Meibin, Xinban and Qinei.
Longxi however has Hu and Wei as most common name. So, if my family Li originates from there, there is no distant family anymore in this Longxi.
What kind of a website is http://www.qzhnet.dnscn.cn/qzh140.htm? Is this from the government, or a genealogical thing?
regards,
Elmer
So Penglai is made up of 30 villages, or suburbs. 5 of them have Li (Li3) as most common name: Zhulin, Hongfu, Meibin, Xinban and Qinei.
Longxi however has Hu and Wei as most common name. So, if my family Li originates from there, there is no distant family anymore in this Longxi.
What kind of a website is http://www.qzhnet.dnscn.cn/qzh140.htm? Is this from the government, or a genealogical thing?
regards,
Elmer
The website is by Mr Li not by government..I hope there will be a similar site for zhangzhou.
Your ancestors could be moved in from those five villages to longxi .I thought my grandfather came from 南安诗山 but actually he moved over there when he was a kid.I found out the correct place from one of his relatives recently.I should say I am from 南安仑苍 with surname 王。
Your ancestors could be moved in from those five villages to longxi .I thought my grandfather came from 南安诗山 but actually he moved over there when he was a kid.I found out the correct place from one of his relatives recently.I should say I am from 南安仑苍 with surname 王。
It is a really interesting discussion. Unfortunately, the tombs of the family Li do not give anymore information than the two names I mentioned. Also I am sure that there are no more tombs and it has been that long ago (the years 1840-50), that I guess no one is able to tell me more about the origin.
Other question: 旹光緒叁拾叁年歲次吉置. The first six characters say: age of emperor Guangxu, year 33 (= 1907-08). What do the final 5 characters mean?
regards,
Elmer
Other question: 旹光緒叁拾叁年歲次吉置. The first six characters say: age of emperor Guangxu, year 33 (= 1907-08). What do the final 5 characters mean?
regards,
Elmer
Just a verb to mean erect.
The problem is there are indeed a lot of zhangzhou longxi people in Indonesia more than any other places in SEA.But we are talking about 6.5m quanzhou people in SEA.You could easily be one of these quanzhou people.Above website mentions there are 100000 anxi penglai origin outside of China,I think you should feel proud that you are one of them .
The problem is there are indeed a lot of zhangzhou longxi people in Indonesia more than any other places in SEA.But we are talking about 6.5m quanzhou people in SEA.You could easily be one of these quanzhou people.Above website mentions there are 100000 anxi penglai origin outside of China,I think you should feel proud that you are one of them .