Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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SimL
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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SimL wrote:But the Douglas/Barclay pdf is searchable. I'm still jumping for joy about this! Not only that, but you can type in POJ without the tone-marks, and it finds the spot in the text where the word is, with tone marks. Being searchable I already consider to be such a big plus, but being searchable without tone marks - even though the text itself has tone marks - is really beyond my wildest dreams .
Oops! I made a bit of a mistake on this one! I searched for "tong-kim" without tone marks, and was so excited at finding it that I didn't realise that "tong" and "kim" both are tone 1 (in citation tone), and so don't have tone marks (tone-1 not being marked in POJ).

Sorry about this misinformation!
Aurelio
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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大家好!

Ah-bin and Sim, thanks so much! This is a great find :-) Ordered the book & CD right away after I saw your recommendations. I don't think a day has gone by since without me using it :-) I was most excited to see that the majority of the characters are the 本字 - clearly picked by somebody who knew what he was doing (and as Sim indicated, the handwriting is very nice, too). Thanks again!

Cheers,
Aurelio

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SimL
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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Hi Aurelio,

So nice to see you back on the Forum. Welcome back and Happy 2010.

Sim.
Aurelio
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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Hi everybody! Thanks for the good wishes, Sim, I wish you the best, too. I am still very excited about my virtual copy of Douglas. The only thing that kept bugging me was the amount of scrolling required to get to the middle of a section ... until I realized the value of creating your own bookmarks in Adobe. For those of you who've done this before this will sound very rudimentary (read no further ^-^ ), but if you have never created your own bookmarks before, try this: Instead of having just S, T, U as bookmarks I have added my own, giving you T, Th, Ts &c. You can also drag the bookmarks around to create hierarchies, so under the T-entry I now have sublevels Te, ti, Tng - you get the picture. As I said, a fairly basic feature, but it only took me a little bit of time to do this and it now saves an enormous amount of scrolling. Unfortunately, the bookmarks are not exportable by themselves (at least I don't think so), otherwise I'd make them available for download.

Hope somebody else will find this useful :-)

Cheers,
Aurelio

Aurelio Leo La Rotta
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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I just rediscovered this resource, this searchable online Douglas. Somehow I had bookmarked it carefully and forgotten to use it.

http://minhakka.ling.sinica.edu.tw/bkg/ ... i_gian=eng

I am very impressed... This is the dictionary that Sim and Kadri swear by, benar?

Some search results come up in a "Supplement" which I guess was tacked on by another renowned scholar named Barclay, poss. of Amoy Bible fame?
Ah-bin
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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Yes, that's the one. I didn't realise here was an online copy of it as well. It's very useful for many things, but a lot of words are still missing from it, especially those more commonly used in Chiang-chiu, and hence, Penang.
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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Hi amhoanna,

Thanks a lot for the link. The OCR'ing of the PDF in the electronic version available on CD-ROM is actually quite good on the English part, but hopeless in the POJ part, as the OCR-program they used was not diacritic-enabled ("ó" often gets misinterpreted as "d", etc). So, in the CD-ROM version, the only Hokkien terms which can be searched for are tone-1 terms (and even then, superscript-n usually comes out as the double quote <">).

So, up to now, I could electronically search for English words, but not POJ ones (to say nothing of hanzi). Now this site will enable me to do both (though I guess I'll have to use TLPA, as I imagine that's what they mean by Tâi-gí Lô-má-jī).

Yes, indeed, Douglas is the dictionary I constantly rave about. That man did an amazing job. I wrote the text below to a friend recently, when I was praising the Douglas to him:

"The guy [Douglas] had no computer to edit with in 1870, and he has managed to record *thousands* of syllable-morphemes, and under each, he has *hundreds* of ciyu. And he was doing this along with his day job as a missionary! And everything I read in Douglas which I can verify against my own real-life knowledge I find to be correct! With an amazing depth and breadth of coverage - obscure animals and plants and dishes (i.e. foods); hundreds of obscure religious customs; lots of obscure technical terms ("the knob that protrudes from the tops of beds of unmarried daughters in the homes of rich families", etc), regionalisms ("but called X in counties A and B of Prefecture C"). And all this done with next to no typos! A truly phenomenal work!"

So, yes, I'm a devoted fan of the man :P.

PS. "the knob that protrudes from the tops of beds of unmarried daughters in the homes of rich families" is not a real entry in his dictionary :shock:.
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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amhoanna wrote:I just rediscovered this resource, this searchable online Douglas. Somehow I had bookmarked it carefully and forgotten to use it.

http://minhakka.ling.sinica.edu.tw/bkg/ ... i_gian=eng

I am very impressed... This is the dictionary that Sim and Kadri swear by, benar?

Some search results come up in a "Supplement" which I guess was tacked on by another renowned scholar named Barclay, poss. of Amoy Bible fame?
Wow. Good find.
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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Sǐ, DOUGLAS ê sûtián cinciàⁿ bô kántoaⁿ!

Siǔⁿ bě kàu sǐ góa seng chōe ‧tio̍h, iû góa lâi pò lín cai. :mrgreen:
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Re: Douglas with Handwritten Characters!

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