Hi FutureSpy,
When Jack Neo speaks, it's too fast and too sophisticated, so I don't follow that much of what he says (and also the S. Malayan accent doesn't help in my case). But thanks for posting this anyway.
Last weekend was the Cinemasia Film Festival in Amsterdam (once every 2 years, I believe), and I went to 5 of the films (4 in one night alone!).
There was a large LGBT component in the program, and one of them was "When Hainan Meets Teochew" (http://www.cinemasia.nl/index.php?optio ... 83&lang=en). I was very excited when I saw the title, but only about four 3-minute segments were in Hainanese or Teochew (maybe even less), so it turned out to be basically a Mandarin film (but good for my Mandarin practice anyway).
It's a good sign in any case that more and more non-Mandarin forms of Sinitic are turning up in Singaporean films (with Ah-bin around, I avoid the use of the word "dialect" , though I'm sure no one here doubts my "pro-Hokkien" credentials ).
Top 5 Chinese Movies
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I have saw the film 海角七号,which English name is Cape No.7.It's very romantic and moving.My girlfriend also liked this film.I really appreciate it and I want to recommend to you.amhoanna wrote:Good to see U back, Sim.
Some movies that come to mind:
15, directed by Royston Tan.
海角七号, 魏德聖.
再見南國 and many other arthouse-type Taiwanese films.
These movies are generally 30 to 50% Hoklo. That's about as good as it gets nowadays. In most cases the directors were going for realism.
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Re: Top 5 Chinese Movies
1. 赤壁 (一、二)
2. 劍雨
I know it's not Hokkien, but referring to the topic it says "Top 5 Chinese Movies". Haha. Maybe it's because I'm not exposed to Hokkien film culture - except Singaporean ones, Taiwanese Hokkien shows often give me the impression of being needlessly sophisticated and cliched. Personal opinion though. ^^
2. 劍雨
I know it's not Hokkien, but referring to the topic it says "Top 5 Chinese Movies". Haha. Maybe it's because I'm not exposed to Hokkien film culture - except Singaporean ones, Taiwanese Hokkien shows often give me the impression of being needlessly sophisticated and cliched. Personal opinion though. ^^
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BTW, I just saw this week another Singaporean movie (it's been like 5 years I don't watch any ) called Sandcastle 沙城. It has a decent amount of Hokkien in the first 30 minutes, but completely disappears later. Nevertheless, I liked the movie!
I saw Love Matters 幸福万岁 too. IMHO bad movie, and all Hokkien I was able to detect on the whole movie was minute 9:20 to 11:15, so less than 2 minutes!
And previously I said "Money No Enough" (钱不够用) had -SOME- Hokkien. I'd like to rectify it and say it's completely in Hokkien, except the parts the guy is at work.
I saw Love Matters 幸福万岁 too. IMHO bad movie, and all Hokkien I was able to detect on the whole movie was minute 9:20 to 11:15, so less than 2 minutes!
And previously I said "Money No Enough" (钱不够用) had -SOME- Hokkien. I'd like to rectify it and say it's completely in Hokkien, except the parts the guy is at work.
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An internet friend of mine - a student of Mandarin at Bonn University - recommended this film to me:
1. http://www.chinesetones.com/forum/viewt ... f=19&t=234.
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBehwWHV2X0
Both links are the same film. Just depends on which one you prefer to watch it on.
It's only 40 minutes long, and I was very impressed by it. Apparently, it was released straight to internet, and has been a real sensation in China. But perhaps many readers already know of it - it was a hit in 2010 or something like that.
Notes:
1. For the first 20 minutes or so, I couldn't work out what the film was about. Actually, I was only really sure after reading a review about it!
2. For the first link I gave, you actually have to click on the "Play" button, in order for it to play.
3. It's one of the few movies where the characters in the highschool setting and as adults seems quite convincing. Mostly I find that the actors look too old to be convincing highschool students, even when the plot DOESN'T move on to showing them in middle age. So, all the more remarkable for this film. Even in "Dead Poets Society", I thought the boys looked a little too old to be highschool students, even though I did like that film too.
4. I actually had a lot of trouble telling the two main characters apart in their "youthful" versions. As adults, it's quite clear, as one is round faced and a bit plump, and the other is angular faced, and quite slim. But in the youthful versions, they are both very round faced.
5. The amount of smoking portrayed is IMHO far higher than in Western movies. That's probably a reflection of the fact that anti-smoking consciousness hasn't reached the same levels in China as in Europe and the US.
6. I was quite surprised at the amount of "crotch-grabbing" and "pelvic thrusts" portrayed. I think of China as a very prudish society (maybe I'm wrong!). I mean, I understand that Michael Jackson - apparently - did it, and that they were just following his dance-moves, but still, it surprised me. Especially the scene where one of the main characters - as a school boy - does it at an audition.
7. One of my friends disliked the start so much that he couldn't bear watching after 10 minutes. He found the acting too "over the top" and the whole film too surrealistic. I can only say that the first 1/3 of the film is strange and surrealistic, the middle 1/3 is just a normal movie (but one where one doesn't really see the point), and the last 1/3 is where the payoff comes, specifically in the closing song, which lasts a whole 9 minutes.
8. It's about lost and unfulfilled dreams from one's youth, and I found it very moving. Big advantage is that it's only 40 minutes long, so if you don't like you, you haven't wasted too much time.
1. http://www.chinesetones.com/forum/viewt ... f=19&t=234.
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBehwWHV2X0
Both links are the same film. Just depends on which one you prefer to watch it on.
It's only 40 minutes long, and I was very impressed by it. Apparently, it was released straight to internet, and has been a real sensation in China. But perhaps many readers already know of it - it was a hit in 2010 or something like that.
Notes:
1. For the first 20 minutes or so, I couldn't work out what the film was about. Actually, I was only really sure after reading a review about it!
2. For the first link I gave, you actually have to click on the "Play" button, in order for it to play.
3. It's one of the few movies where the characters in the highschool setting and as adults seems quite convincing. Mostly I find that the actors look too old to be convincing highschool students, even when the plot DOESN'T move on to showing them in middle age. So, all the more remarkable for this film. Even in "Dead Poets Society", I thought the boys looked a little too old to be highschool students, even though I did like that film too.
4. I actually had a lot of trouble telling the two main characters apart in their "youthful" versions. As adults, it's quite clear, as one is round faced and a bit plump, and the other is angular faced, and quite slim. But in the youthful versions, they are both very round faced.
5. The amount of smoking portrayed is IMHO far higher than in Western movies. That's probably a reflection of the fact that anti-smoking consciousness hasn't reached the same levels in China as in Europe and the US.
6. I was quite surprised at the amount of "crotch-grabbing" and "pelvic thrusts" portrayed. I think of China as a very prudish society (maybe I'm wrong!). I mean, I understand that Michael Jackson - apparently - did it, and that they were just following his dance-moves, but still, it surprised me. Especially the scene where one of the main characters - as a school boy - does it at an audition.
7. One of my friends disliked the start so much that he couldn't bear watching after 10 minutes. He found the acting too "over the top" and the whole film too surrealistic. I can only say that the first 1/3 of the film is strange and surrealistic, the middle 1/3 is just a normal movie (but one where one doesn't really see the point), and the last 1/3 is where the payoff comes, specifically in the closing song, which lasts a whole 9 minutes.
8. It's about lost and unfulfilled dreams from one's youth, and I found it very moving. Big advantage is that it's only 40 minutes long, so if you don't like you, you haven't wasted too much time.
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Hi FutureSpy
I am not sure if you have known a Taiwanese Hokkien tv serial titled 浪淘沙.
Usually I don't like TW Hokkien tv serials because they are so long-winded with "stupid" storyline. [I ever read somewhere that the writer of many of those serials is not from TW but from HK. Not sure how true... HK serials usually are short and decisive, in many aspects better than TW.]
But 浪淘沙 is different. It is based on real story of 邱雅信 Khu Ngá-sìn, the first female doctor in TW. I didn't watch every all of it, but I liked what I see. It was mainly in TW Hokkien with some Japanese, Mandarin, English, Hakka, Cantonese and even Shanghainese. ( Ref.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WglmOZZc3pc )
And it has beautiful theme song 浪淘人生: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_2qPuf ... re=related
I cannot find the serial itself in youtube. But I just found it here its 1st episode here: http://www.56.com/u37/v_NTQyOTUxMzk.html
Hopefully you (and Sim & other friends here) can find the rest there (or somewhere else) too.
I am not sure if you have known a Taiwanese Hokkien tv serial titled 浪淘沙.
Usually I don't like TW Hokkien tv serials because they are so long-winded with "stupid" storyline. [I ever read somewhere that the writer of many of those serials is not from TW but from HK. Not sure how true... HK serials usually are short and decisive, in many aspects better than TW.]
But 浪淘沙 is different. It is based on real story of 邱雅信 Khu Ngá-sìn, the first female doctor in TW. I didn't watch every all of it, but I liked what I see. It was mainly in TW Hokkien with some Japanese, Mandarin, English, Hakka, Cantonese and even Shanghainese. ( Ref.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WglmOZZc3pc )
And it has beautiful theme song 浪淘人生: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_2qPuf ... re=related
I cannot find the serial itself in youtube. But I just found it here its 1st episode here: http://www.56.com/u37/v_NTQyOTUxMzk.html
Hopefully you (and Sim & other friends here) can find the rest there (or somewhere else) too.
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Hi niuc.
I never heard about it, but I remember having seen the DVD of the movie for sale at 台灣e店
BTW, I found one almost complete on YouTube, but can't remember the title. I'll see if I can find the original Taiwanese audio and try to replace it. But feels like it's going to take eras since there are so many eps... And Mediacorp translations are often based on Mandarin dub. I used to watch Japanese dramas ripped from Ch8, and they used to be very off...
I'll take some time to check the first one tomorrow, thanks!
I never heard about it, but I remember having seen the DVD of the movie for sale at 台灣e店
I've seen a few eps. of 夜市人生 (Night Market Life) and 愛 (The Spirits of Love), and they didn't impress me at all (although I couldn't understand enough to get a gist of the plot). If only there were more Mandarin dubbed English subbed eps ripped from Mediacorp Ch8 on YouTube, I could replace the audio for the Taiwanese one and be happyUsually I don't like TW Hokkien tv serials because they are so long-winded with "stupid" storyline.
BTW, I found one almost complete on YouTube, but can't remember the title. I'll see if I can find the original Taiwanese audio and try to replace it. But feels like it's going to take eras since there are so many eps... And Mediacorp translations are often based on Mandarin dub. I used to watch Japanese dramas ripped from Ch8, and they used to be very off...
Looks nice! Actually, feels like it's very different from those FTV dramas.But 浪淘沙 is different.
56.com is crap. They used to be better, now I hardly can watch anything there... :/ And since youku no longer works outside Mainland, tudou is the best option IMHO: http://so.tudou.com/nisearch/%E6%B5%AA% ... %E6%B2%99/I cannot find the serial itself in youtube. But I just found it here its 1st episode here: http://www.56.com/u37/v_NTQyOTUxMzk.html
I'll take some time to check the first one tomorrow, thanks!
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I know Futurespy is interested in Hakka too. There is a TW film called 1895, that is almost entirely in Hoiliuk 海陸Hakka - the kind spoken in northwestern Taiwan. There is a bit of Japanese and Hokkien thrown in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1895_%28film%29
I should probably start wacthing some TW Hokkien dramas, last time I saw one I could understand quite a bit. The problem is I am so bad with computers I don't even know where to find them.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1895_%28film%29
I should probably start wacthing some TW Hokkien dramas, last time I saw one I could understand quite a bit. The problem is I am so bad with computers I don't even know where to find them.....
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Thanks Ah-bin! If I'm not mistaken, 海陸 is that Hakka variant with some phonemes not present on Siyen variant, right? My initial reason for learning Hakka was because one year and a half ago I accidentally bought a The Little Prince in Hakka (in the cover there was written in big letters "客家語小王子"). But now, since I found out many Taiwanese people in the Taiwanese association I go whenever I go visit the Taiwanese old lady are actually Hakkas, it'd be nice to learn at least some basics. The old lady is Hoklo, but she speaks Hakka too But the problem is that there's so much dialectal variation in Hakka even in Taiwan and I don't know where they're from, so I don't dare to risk even a greeting in Hakka
As for TW dramas, you can watch many of them on tudou.com "父與子" is the one airing now on FTV, and if you watch around 220 eps. you can still catch them up
As for TW dramas, you can watch many of them on tudou.com "父與子" is the one airing now on FTV, and if you watch around 220 eps. you can still catch them up
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BTW, just a quick note, as I was supposed to be studying now...
The DVD for "孩子不坏" (We not naughty), Singaporean director Jack Neo's lastest movie, is finally out in Malaysia (funny enough it seems still not have been released in Singapore), so I watched it on Friday night at my parents. I was expecting a movie with lots of Hokkien, but basically the only ones who speak it in the movie are the parents of one of the protagonists. The father talks most of the time in Hokkien, except when talking to his kids. But the mother code-switches between Mandarin and Hokkien with her husband, and speak in Mandarin when talking to the kids. That's all, after 30min there's absolutely no Hokkien anymore. Besides, one of the Hokkien scenes in the trailer was edited/remodeled, unfortunately. It's still in Hokkien, but slightly different. Now about the movie, it feels like Jack Neo is using the same "formula" over and over. Kept me entertained for 2h, but not enough for making me feel like watching it again. But if you feel like listening to soem Hokkien, it's just another option. I'm glad Singaporean movie industry still include some Hokkien in their movies, so kudos for them
[EDIT]
That's the scene I was talking about (at 48s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H44nd4_OOcI&t=48s
Feels much better in the trailer!
BTW, "mata" is police, right?
The DVD for "孩子不坏" (We not naughty), Singaporean director Jack Neo's lastest movie, is finally out in Malaysia (funny enough it seems still not have been released in Singapore), so I watched it on Friday night at my parents. I was expecting a movie with lots of Hokkien, but basically the only ones who speak it in the movie are the parents of one of the protagonists. The father talks most of the time in Hokkien, except when talking to his kids. But the mother code-switches between Mandarin and Hokkien with her husband, and speak in Mandarin when talking to the kids. That's all, after 30min there's absolutely no Hokkien anymore. Besides, one of the Hokkien scenes in the trailer was edited/remodeled, unfortunately. It's still in Hokkien, but slightly different. Now about the movie, it feels like Jack Neo is using the same "formula" over and over. Kept me entertained for 2h, but not enough for making me feel like watching it again. But if you feel like listening to soem Hokkien, it's just another option. I'm glad Singaporean movie industry still include some Hokkien in their movies, so kudos for them
[EDIT]
That's the scene I was talking about (at 48s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H44nd4_OOcI&t=48s
Feels much better in the trailer!
BTW, "mata" is police, right?