Hokkien Biblical Passages

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Niuc

Hokkien Biblical Passages

Post by Niuc »

詩篇 第23篇

大衛的詩

耶和華是我的牧者, 我無欠缺.
伊互我倒佇清翠的草埔, 導我佇安靜的水邊.
伊互我的靈魂精英, 為著伊的名導我行義的路.

我雖然行過死蔭的山谷, 亦呣驚災害,
因為你及我佇[口的];
你的槌, 你的柺, 安慰我.

佇我對敵的面前, 你給我排設筵席;
你用油抹我的頭殼, 我的杯滿出來.
恩典及慈悲的確隨我到一世人;
我欲永遠徛起佇耶和華的厝.

[聖經台語漢字本]


Si1-phian1 te7 23 phi*1

Tai7-pit8 e5 si1

Ia5-ho5-hua5 si7 gua2 e5 bok8-cia2, gua2 bo5 khiam3-kheh4.
I1 ho`7 gua2 to2 ti7 chi*1-chui3 e5 chau2-po`1, chua7 gua2 ti7 an1-cing7 e5 cui2 pi*1.
I1 ho`7 gua2 e5 ling5-hun5 cing1-ing1, ui7-tioh8 I1 e5 mia*5 chua7 gua2 kia*5 gi7 e5 lo`7.

Gua2 sui1-jian5 kia*5-ke3 si2-im3 e5 sua*1-kok4, iah8 m7-kia*1 cai1-hai7,
In1-ui7 Li2 kap4 gua2 ti7-teh4;
Li2 e5 thui5, Li2 e5 kuai*2, an1-ui3 gua2.

Ti7 gua2 tui3-tik8 e5 bin7-cing5, Li2 ka7 gua2 pai5-siat4 ian5-siah8;
Li2 ing7 iu5 buah4 gua2 e5 thau5-khak4, gua2 e5 pue1 mua2_chut0-lai0.
Un1-tian2 kap4 cu5-pi1 tik4-khak4 te3 gua2 kau3 cit8-si3-lang5;
Gua2 beh4 ing2-uan2 khia7-khi2 ti7 Ia5-ho5-hua5 e5 chu3.

[E7-mng5 ue7]


Psalm 23

A psalm of David.

The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters,
he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.
Surely goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD
forever.

[New International Version]

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hong

Re: Hokkien Biblical Passages

Post by hong »

Dear Niuc,
I 'd like to ask about you said in somewhere that 入(聲) is jip,isn't that it is dzip for chiangchiu and chuan and xia are lip.Do you find any dict said j for that dz.Thanks.
Aurelio

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Post by Aurelio »

Dear Hong,

Yes there are two works which give "jip/ dzip" for xia:

1873 Amoy dictionary by Rev. Douglas: jip (j == dz/ dzh)
1960 Amoy language course by Bodman: jip

However:

1998 廈門方言詞典: ----------------------------: lip

The XMFYCD explains further: 古日母字漳州老派讀[dz-], 新派中有人讀[l-], 廈門不論老派新派都讀[l-].

This confirms exactly what you said.

Regards,
Aurelio

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hong

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Post by hong »

Prof Ang said taiwanese miss dz even for those chiangchiu speaking area.The dict in the front page of this web site give rip.I don't know why.
I am having a hard time changing dzip to lip because i have been using it for years.I shouldn't use dz because i am chuanchiu origin.
hong

Re: Hokkien Biblical Passages

Post by hong »

Dear Niuc,casey,
I wonder do you use kam(敢) in your daily conversation in question (是非句,反問句).
something from old post 父親 ,I just found out it is a 白話文 not guhanyu or fangyan.So it is a word not even a century old.
The zi 父 is P?? in ancient chinese languages because there is no consonat f in every chinese language until dynasty sung.eastling.org dict give p...and Lirulong said it is ba in ancient times.
The dialect of china undergone changes because of Putonghua which bring in too many Japanese words like 政府,圖書館,.etc.
150 years ago no hokkien people understand what is the meaning of these words.
Casey

Re: Hokkien Biblical Passages

Post by Casey »

Hong

Yes, "kam2" (or "ka*2) is being used in our daily conversation, e.g., "kam2 u7 ia*2 ?" (Is is true?). In Malaysia and Siingapore, perhaps we use more often "mana (Malay word) u7 ia*2 ?" influenced by the Malay language.

Casey
Niuc

Re: Hokkien Biblical Passages

Post by Niuc »

Hi all

My usage of kam2 is similar to Casey, sometimes pronounced as kan2. We use mana also.

Although kam2 & ka*2 should be of the same character 敢, ka*2 can be used as kam2 or for another meaning, depends on context.
敢有影? ka*2 u7 ia*2? = kam2 u7 ia*2? = is it true?
敢有 kam2 u7 = is it?
敢有 ka*5 u7 = probably there is / I afraid there is.

About l/j/d, there were discussions in this forum. We pronounce it as somewhere between d & l. This is also the phenomena found by Prof. Goh http://olddoc.tmu.edu.tw/chiaushin/marker.htm .

Hong, I think it's better to pronounce and write it as j since this is the original sound. Cuanciu Hokkien has lost this sound, now E-mng also. Merging of sounds will make a language "poorer".

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Niuc

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Post by Niuc »

主的祈禱文
馬太福音第六章第九到十三節

Cu2 e5 ki5-to2-bun5
Ma2-thai3 Hok4-im1 te3 lak8 ciu*1 te3 kau2 kau3 cap8 sa*1 cat4

The Lord's Prayer: Our Father
Matthew chapter 6 verses 9-13

[聖經台語漢字本]
阮佇天裡的父; 願你的名聖.
你的國臨到; 你的旨意得成, 佇地裡親像佇天裡.
阮的日食, 今仔日互阮.
赦免阮的辜負, 親像阮亦有赦免辜負阮的人.
莫得導阮入佇試; 著救阮脫離彼個歹的.

[E-mng ue7]
Guan2 ti7 thi*1-nih8 e5 Pe7; guan7 li2 e5 mia5 sing3.
Li2 e5 kok4 lim5-kau3; li2 e5 ci2-i3 tit4 cia*5, ti7 tue7-nih8 chin1-chiu*7 ti7 thi*1-nih8.
Guan2 e5 jit8-sit8, kin1-a2-jit8 ho`7 guan2.
Sia3-bian2 guan2 e5 ko`1-hu7, chin1-chiu*7 guan2 iah8 u7 sia3-bian2 ko`1-hu7 guan2 e5 lang5.
Boh8-tit4 chua7 guan2 jip8 ti7 chi3; tioh8 kiu3 guan2 thuat4-li7 hit4 e5 phai*2-e5.

[NIV]
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.


[阮是安呢祈禱 (同安話)]
阮佇天的父; 願汝的名聖.
汝的國臨到; 汝的旨意得着成, 佇地親像佇天.
所欠用的米食, 今日賞賜予阮.
赦免阮的罪, 親像阮赦免得罪阮的人.
無予阮遇着試探; 拯救阮脫離歹.
因為國, 權, 榮光, 攏是汝的; 直到代代. 心正所願.

[Gun2 si7 an1-ni1 ki5-to2 (Tang5-ua*1 ue7)]
Gun2 ti7 thi*1 e5 Pe7; guan7 Ly2 e5 mia5 sing3.
Ly2 e5 kok4 lim5-kau3; Ly2 e5 ci2-i3 tit4-tio8 cia*5, ti7 tue7 chin1-chiu*7 ti7 thi*1.
So`2 khiam3-ing7 e5 bi2-cia8, kia*1-jit8 siu*2-sy3 ho`7 gun2.
Sia3-bian2 gun2 e5 cue7, chin1-chiu*7 gun2 sia3-bian2 tit4-cue7 gun2 e5 lang5.
Bo5 ho`7 gun2 tu2-tio8 chi3-tham3; cing2-kiu3 gun2 thuat4-li7 phai2.
In1-ui7 kok4, kuan5, ing5-kng1, long2 si7 Ly2 e5; tit8 kau3 tai7-tai7. Sim1 cing7 so`2 guan7.


[Traditional version (KJV):]
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

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Hong, thanks for this very interesting link! :D
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