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kim, it is quite established that lao tzu is a native of the state of chu, so unless u have specific proof that he's otherwise korean, i would maintain that. besides, taoism and laotzu isnt exactly the same thing. so to say 'han taoism originated from korea' and 'laotzu is korean himself' are not the same thing. i hope u do understand the differences. if u are talking about religious taoism tha appeared during the han dynasty, that has got nothing to do with the philosophy taoism established by laotzu. the religious taoism only made use of laotzu as an icon to maintain their authenticity.

some of you mentioned kimchin in previous posts, I want to tell you all that kimchi is definately korean origin.

Major ingredients in Korean dishes (e.g., kimchi) are green onion
(Allium fistulosum) and garlic (Allium sativum). Also, Allium
tuberosum and Allium ascalonicum can be included.

'Al' means egg in Korean. What is the common thing between Allium and
Altai? It's 'Al', meaning egg. Yes. Green onion and garlic have eggs
('Al').

The wild progenitor of Allium sativum (cultivated garlic, or maneul in
Korean) was Allium altaicum. Several thousand years ago, Koreans
firstly cultivated Allium altaicum in Central asia near southern
Siberia, so called Altai. The cultivated garlic is Allium sativum. It
was Koreans, not Chinese, who firstly cultivated garlic.

Let me briefly mention another species, green onion (Allium
fistulosum). Green onion has been called 'Pa' in Korean. Scholars
generally agree that 'Pa', green onion, was originated from 'Pamirs'
in central Asia, because species richiness is highest there.
Interestingly, Chinese call 'Pamirs' as 'Chung-ling', meaning 'Onion
mountains', but the pronunciation for 'Pa' is not 'pa' as in Korean,
but 'Chung'. Only Koreans keep the original syllable of 'Pa'. It is
uncertain what 'mir' means, but it seems that this word was related to
religious beliefs or meant 'mountain' or 'place' (Pa-mirs =
green-onion mountains).

The oldest legend in Korea begins with a story of garlic, Allium
altaicum (or A. sativum in a modern sense) in BC 2333. Modern science
reveals
some mysterious ingredient contained in garlic and green onion. Before
that, Koreans have enjoyed Allium spp. since they were in Pamirs and
Altai. Allium were also good for overcoming cold climate in the
sub-arctic parallel through which Korean ancestors migrated since BC
7200.

Pronuncations of major ingredients in Kimchi and botanical
distribution of Allium genus clearly show that Korean ancestors
cultivated garlic and green onions to develop proto-Kimchi, probably
several thousand years ago. Only Koreans still are addicted to garlic
and green onions.

My name is Kong.......notice the "Ko" in Kong.....similar to the "Ko" in Korean. You all are descendents of my former self thousands of years ago.

You see, 10,000 years ago, the world was in its last Ice Age, covering most of Northern China, including Korea. So you Koreans originally came from Vietnam and migrated north as the ice caps began to retreat towards the North Pole.

kim, stick to the point, no point beating around the bush.

Kim has a very interesting theory but I think that he is much better with "theorizing" Korean history than biology. If garlic and green onion have eggs in them, I guess there are little green men walking inside my radio, too. It is very surprising the stuff he can bring up. p.s. what the hell did all that confounded garlic irrelevance have to do with anything we've been talking about?! You're also begging the question(s). And, KimChi is a Korean brand. Of course it has Korean origin! duh!

Hmm, green onions and garlic have eggs in them? Just like peanuts are made from alien brains? I guess it makes sense...

Enough, this topic is just provocating us to hate each other, and nobody (except some stone-head people) would believe that chinese character (han zi) is invented by Korean...

to dyl.

The foundation legend of the Shang dynasty (1766-1122 B.C.) begins
with a story of divine bird and egg (Ch'i). This kind of foundation
legends are only found among Dongyi (East I or Tung-i) people, not
Chinese Han or Hua [e.g., refer to Hung, P (1990) New light on the
origins of the Manchus. Harvard J. Asiatic Studies, Vol. 50 (1):
239-282.]

Therefore, we can know that rulers of the Shang dynasty were Dong-yi
people, not Hua. According to history books, the Shang and the Old
Chosun (old Korea) had interacted frequently since the foundation of
the Shang. But, when the Shang was defeated, rulers escaped to
neighbouring areas where Korean ancestors dominated (old Chosun), and
history text books tell that Korean natives accepted those fugitives,
which was apparently impossible if both groups had not have a common
ethnicity, or at least a common language. The fugitives did not
escaped to other Tungus groups such Su-shen or I-lou (or Mo-ho later).
The same situation occurred again later between Balhae (Bohai) and
Koryo in the 7th century.

Just continue this topic in another forum, maybe chinese forum, and starts it as 'the relationship between ancient chinese and korean', okay? so it won't keep hanging inside cantonese forum, which has no connection with korea...
Some little addition:
The foundation of today chinese language came from Qin dynasty, not Shang, so although Shang version of chinese language ever existed before, it has been destroyed by Qin (remember that Qin defeated six other kingdoms, he also forced people from other kingdoms to adopt Qin's language), am I wrong?

To peterkim,

I stick by what was written earlier. If you think that myths are a firm basis for your theories, so be it.

Dyl.