How Are You People

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Eng Wai

How Are You People

Post by Eng Wai »

Dear All,

How are you people ?

Sorry for my absense last few months. I dislike to participate in PhpBB forum like this. :?

Gald that we have a enthusiatic and energetic new member, our dear Mark Yong.

I will try to adapt to this new forum format. :D

Warmest Regards to Andrew Yong, Aurerio, Casey, Hong, Mark Yong, Niuc, Sim, Tang Loon Kong and others who escape my brain currently.

Eng Wai
niuc

Post by niuc »

Hi Eng Wai

Nice to see your posting again! Do share more with us here :D
Casey

Post by Casey »

Hi, Eng Wai!

Where have you been? It is nice to have you back. Do share your thoughts with us more often, okay?
Mark Yong
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Post by Mark Yong »

Hi, Eng Wai,

Glad to have you back in the forum. Thank you for your kind words of encouragement. As you probably have gathered, I am not a native Hokkien and picked up the dialect during my 6-year working stint in Penang. As such, many of my questions may seem trivial, coupled by the fact that I am not a linguist. So, please bear with me, everyone!

Cheers,
Mark
Eng Wai

Post by Eng Wai »

Dear Mark,

Although I grew up in Penang, I could never consider Hokkien as my mother tongue. I grew up speaking Mandarin. Surrounded by many people who speak a language you can more or less understand but not able to reply is quite an annoyance :oops:

That said, my Hokkien is probably worse than you as I only started speaking Hokkien semi-actively 4 years ago for a year. After all, it is much more easier for my peers to communicate with me in Mandarin than me liasoning with them in Hokkien. :wink:

By ancestry, I am a Heng Hua (min3 dong1).

Among the sinitic languages, Mandarin is the overwhelmingly dominant language. Cantonese is much understood due to economical and cultural influence. While Hakka has not a base (province) for itself, Hakka people are quite chauvinistic and aware of their status. If you go to wikipedia Ethnic list, Hakka is listed as an ethnic!

I feel that although Hokkienese are comprise much of the SEA Chinese community, Hokkien / min language or culture is not very well researched, respected or appreciated.

In short, I am glad that you are interested in Hokkien. If you have any queries, just shout Hong. He will immediately flood you with a sea of "correct" Hokkien knowlefge. :P

Hope you enjoy your stay here.

Regards

Eng Wai
hong

Post by hong »

Engwai,
My minnan is like hell as you can see I don't even have 100 pounds per month to buy some books.I don't have any money to travel to China for Makan Angin and learn some minnan .
At this moment I have to wait for the PM of malaysia to lower the currency or else I won't be able to order any book.
I can tell you most malaysians are suffering now because of the lui .
Eng Wai

Post by Eng Wai »

Dear Hong,

If you don't mind me intruding your privacy, could you tell us your job in real life? Do you have any linguistic background or you are an amatuer?

Cheers

Eng Wai
Mark Yong
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Post by Mark Yong »

Eng Wai wrote: Among the sinitic languages, Mandarin is the overwhelmingly dominant language. Cantonese is much understood due to economical and cultural influence. While Hakka has not a base (province) for itself, Hakka people are quite chauvinistic and aware of their status. If you go to wikipedia Ethnic list, Hakka is listed as an ethnic!

I feel that although Hokkienese are comprise much of the SEA Chinese community, Hokkien / min language or culture is not very well researched, respected or appreciated.
Hi, Eng Wai,

"Overwhelmingly dominant"... very subtle way of putting it! :D I would be a little less diplomatic and go a little further by asserting that while the promotion of Mandarin does have practical implications, it has been grossly over-rated at the expense and detriment of the other dialects (yes, I still consider Mandarin as a dialect!).

It saddens me to see Hokkien - along with my native Hakka (interesting to hear that I belong to an "ethnic"!) - has degenerated to the status of a "street language" in the eyes of many. The near-destruction of the Hokkien legacy in Singapore, due in no small part to the "Speak Mandarin, not Dialect" campaign, is a cultural and linguistic loss to be mourned. I believe that Mandarin could have been promoted without having to dogmatically drive the dialects into the ghettos.

My very first post to this lively forum (which, by virtue of the number of posts alone, stands as the most active, compared to the Mandarin/Cantonese/Wu forums) was on the preservation of Hokkien in written form, which sparked off a very lively two-way discourse between Sim and me.

One of the hallmarks of a living language is its rich vocabulary, and I personally feel that one effective way is to preserve its literature (though, strictly speaking, there is little or no Minnan literature). Forum entries such as the recent ones recording terms for family relationships, bodily parts, insects, etc. are another ad-hoc way. But ultimately, it boils down to regular and **correct** usage. I personally braved mockery and goofaws, learning the dialect from scratch by regularly conversing with people fluent in it, and making a constant effort to discern between 'correct' and 'incorrect' words and grammar.
hong

Post by hong »

Engwai,
No,I am not a master /phd degree student in min languages because if I am a student I can make full use of the library,be it China,taiwan or western university in US Or Europe.There are 30 universities offer these hanyufangyan degree.
People get a degree in chinese language mainly for job as Prof but this is the job I fear most.The reason is afraid of 誤人子弟。Many prof will find that what they taught are completely wrong ,this happens to even the best one from China.It is not like teaching accounting where there won't be any new correct theories any more.So many 訓詁 theories are proven wrong from time to time.
Example,In malaysian mandarin learning program,you find that the guy using 一般上 but this is a wrong mandarin .The script writer still have no idea.
I am just a former bank officer who recently started a small business with my friend in Petaling Jaya..
Guest

Post by Guest »

Dear Hong,

Thakns for your information.

But I believe if you are to really excel Minnan languages, you imght want to self-teach youtself some linghuitic studies, skills, knowledge etc.

After all, we need to understand how those "proffessors" reach their conclusions. We can't just cite many sources taht we like to rebunk those theories that we don't like. It iwll easily become a "he sys she says" situation.

Perhaps you re already teaching yourself all htese relevant skills.

Regards

Eng Wai
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