Doing, doing... done!

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Mark Yong
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Doing, doing... done!

Post by Mark Yong »

Yup, another cryptic forum topic title from me, and more benzi 本字 madness!

I have been thinking about the suffixes "-tiáo" (something in progress) and "-tiō" (something that has already happened, or can happen). E.g. "cho tiáo" (做 tiáo) and "cho-tiō" (做 tiō). One means "doing in progress", and the other means "done" or "can be done".

What are the 本字 for these two suffixes?

The equivalents in Mandarin are -著 and -了, respectively. One would be tempted, therefore to say that "-tiáo" is 著. However, that does not seem to square well, for 2 reasons:
1. 'tiō' also means 'correct', which is 著. And there's also 'tiă-tiō' 定著.
2. In Minnan, most literary-colloquial (文白讀) pairs with the literary ending -iong will have the corresponding colloquial ending -iao/-iu, e.g. 張 chiong/tiao, 量 liong/niao.

On the basis of (2), could "-tiáo" be simply the colloquial reading for 中? As in 管業中 (a sign commonly seen hung outside the front doors of both Chinese and Japanese restaurants during business hours) means "business in progress" or "yes, we are open". Etylomogically, it appears to make sense.
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Post by ong »

张,量 baidu is iunn/ionn not the stupid iaunn
two benzi for tiau .牢 has problem for t which can be explained as 复声母 and the vowel is shanggu
baidu for 住 has no problem for vowel and alphabet but it is qusheng not shangsheng.It is the same with 柱 with baidu tiau
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Post by Mark Yong »

Hi, Hong,

Thanks for the correction. So, it is -iong/-io, not -iong/-iao. :D

Anyway, back to my question: So, what are the benzi for the -tiao in "cho tiáo" (做 tiáo) and -tio in "cho-tiō" (做 tiō)? :shock:
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Post by ong »

No malaysian speak ionn but some taiwanese do .Listen to 陈水扁。some ciangciu also use iunn in china.
tiao is what I just mention above.著is surely tioh
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