"ke-kien" - which part of the chicken?

Mark Yong · Post by **Mark Yong** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:15 am

Does anyone know which part of the chicken the ke-kien is? Also, what is the Hanzi for the kien?

I was told that it is the part of the chicken where the feed is stored.

BTW, it is not the chicken's liver - that's ke-kua 雞肝.

niuc · Post by **niuc** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:59 am

Hi Mark

That (kue1-kian7 in my variant) is chicken gizzard. I would love to know the Hanji also.

duaaagiii · Post by **duaaagiii** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:00 pm

I agree with niuc that it refers to chicken gizzard.

雞胘 ke1/kue1-kian7

ong · Post by **ong** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:27 am

Hakka expert gave a talk about the benzi last year in Singapore
www2.ntu.edu.sg/HSS/chinese/about/SeminarsAndLectures/yanxiuhong5oct2007.htm
But not everyone will agree about his idea

Mark Yong · Post by **Mark Yong** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:50 am

duaaagiii wrote:I agree with niuc that it refers to chicken gizzard.

雞胘 ke1/kue1-kian7

As usual, duaaagiii, you never cease to amaze me. I have been searching the Web till no end, but could not find that Hanzi!

Thanks a ton!

ong · Post by **ong** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:49 am

That hanzi is in books like 齐民要数。The 反切 is not a match。
The thing is are there anyone in China say ke kian since the ciangciu sound is only kin.You cannot get ke+kian?
Modern teochew just add g become king
Above hakka author who said 肾 is the benzi actually appeared in 台语正字 by 张清波

ong · Post by **ong** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:50 am

Just buy a basis book 广韵，see 下平声卷第二先。。。。。。You can see it is a pingsheng which isn't a match .