Penang Hok-kiàn ê Thák-chheh-im 讀冊音

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Penang Hok-kiàn ê Thák-chheh-im 讀冊音

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Óa chai kóng Hok-kiàn-ōa ū saⁿ khóan ê thák-chheh-im, ū Choán-chiu-ê, Ē•-mûi-ê, koh ū Chiang-chiu-ê. Ták-ták-ūi-ê thák-chheh-im ū tâm-póh bô-siâng. Kóng-kàu tg (tn^g) 長 ê jī ê thák-chheh-im, tī Choán-chiu, Ē•-mûi, ka Tâi-oân i sī thák chò “tiông”, tapi tī Chiang-chiu i sī thák chò “tiâng”. Kóng Penang Hok-kiàn ê-sî eng-kai iōng tó-chít-ê thák-chheh-im kha hó?

Penang-ê-lâng kóng “Hiang-káng” 香港 kha-chē, a-sī kóng “Hiong-káng”? Óa bat thiaⁿ kòe lâng kóng “siong-sìn” 相信, tapi “siang-sìn” pún bat thiaⁿ kòe.

Sûi-jiân óa chai-kóng Penang lâng tong-kim bô koàn-sì ka thák-chheh-im liáu, óa ài mūi chi-lê būn-tê sī ing-ūi óa kha-têng beh siá chí-lê PGHK ê Sam-chū-keng (Saⁿ-jī-keng) 三字經 hō• lâng thák.

Na-sī lú kóng lēng-gōa chít-khóan ê Hok-kiàn-ōa, oá pún ū heng-chù chai-tióh lú ê Hok-kiàn-ōa sī an-choáⁿ thák.
Andrew

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Ah-bin wrote:Óa chai kóng Hok-kiàn-ōa ū saⁿ khóan ê thák-chheh-im, ū Choán-chiu-ê, Ē•-mûi-ê, koh ū Chiang-chiu-ê. Ták-ták-ūi-ê thák-chheh-im ū tâm-póh bô-siâng. Kóng-kàu tg (tn^g) 長 ê jī ê thák-chheh-im, tī Choán-chiu, Ē•-mûi, ka Tâi-oân i sī thák chò “tiông”, tapi tī Chiang-chiu i sī thák chò “tiâng”. Kóng Penang Hok-kiàn ê-sî eng-kai iōng tó-chít-ê thák-chheh-im kha hó?

Penang-ê-lâng kóng “Hiang-káng” 香港 kha-chē, a-sī kóng “Hiong-káng”? Óa bat thiaⁿ kòe lâng kóng “siong-sìn” 相信, tapi “siang-sìn” pún bat thiaⁿ kòe.

Sûi-jiân óa chai-kóng Penang lâng tong-kim bô koàn-sì ka thák-chheh-im liáu, óa ài mūi chi-lê būn-tê sī ing-ūi óa kha-têng beh siá chí-lê PGHK ê Sam-chū-keng (Saⁿ-jī-keng) 三字經 hō• lâng thák.

Na-sī lú kóng lēng-gōa chít-khóan ê Hok-kiàn-ōa, oá pún ū heng-chù chai-tióh lú ê Hok-kiàn-ōa sī an-choáⁿ thák.
Penang lâng khah-chē sī kóng "Hiang-káng" ka "siang-sìn" ê. Penang ka Chiang-chiu ê Hok-kiàn oā chha-put-to; lú nā boeh chai tá-lȯh siâng tá-lȯh bô-siâng, lú ē-sái khì khoā* tī Wikipedia ê Penang Hokkien ê bûn-chióʼ*, lóng-chóng ū siá-loh-khì.
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Kám-siā lú Andrew. Óa bat thák-kòe Wikipedia ê bûn-chioⁿ chiàⁿ chē pái, kan-na bē-kì niā, phái-sē la.

Sít-chāi, óa ū nō•-lê bók-ték mūi chi-lê būn-tê: ài mūi kàu thák-chheh-im tē’t iàu-kín ê, tapi tē-jī iàu-kín ê sī ài start iōng Hók-kiàn-ōa lâi siá óa ê sin ê post ka-liáu, khoàⁿ chit-chûi ē iōng Hók-kiàn-ōa ìn óa! Lú an-ne-khóan siá ê hō• óa chin-chiàⁿ hoaⁿ-hí!

Siá ū koan-hē ka Hók-kiàn-ōa bô-siâng ka siá Hók-kiàn-ōa. Ĕ-táu óa ài iōng Hók-kiàn-ōa siá kha chē, an-ne-khóan óa to ē siá kha hó, kóng kha hó.
Andrew

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Wá ba-lú ȯh án-tsoáⁿ iōng Mac ê keyboard lâi siá macron /¯/. Put-kò /ⁿ/ koh chin-pháiⁿ-siá.
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Há-lê sè ê n ū tâm-póh khan-khó•phah chhut-lâi, ta-pi óa ka-kī bat kài-sek kòe án-choáⁿ chò tī tī Penang Hokkien Chiát-bók ê ūi:

http://penanghokkien.com/?page_id=1141

Kài-sek tī “nasalised vowel endings” (phīⁿ-khang-im) ê ē•-té. Óa hí-bāng I tùi lú ē ū-iōng.
Andrew

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Goá iōng Mac, só-yí āàáâȧơ lóng-chóng ē-iōng US Extended ê-keyboard siá. Put-kò-ài-siá /ⁿ/ ê-sî tiȯh-boeh-iōng Character Viewer. Goá tong-kim ka /ⁿ/ ka /ɛ/ hɛ¯-liáu tī goá-ê-Character Viewer ê-Favorites.

Goá khoàⁿ, goá-lâng boeh-siá-jī khah-hó boeh-siá-chhut-lâi hó-hó, suî-jiân iōng Penang ê-im lâi-siá. In-ūi "hit-lê", "i-lâng" thȧk-chhut-lâi ê-sî ma piàn-chò "hí-lê/hə´-lê/há-lê", "iâng", put-kò-khah-êng bêng-pėk.

"我" Penang lâng kóng /wá/, m¯-sī /ʔoá/, in-ūi pún-lâi sī /gwá/.
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Ki5-sit8, wa2 m7-bat4 thiann1 kue3 lang5 kong2 "Noo7-Le5". Ti3 Ee7-Mui5 tah8-lang5 pun2 kong2 "Nng7 (Noo7) E5". Kan1-nia7 u7 "t" e1 tiam2-siann1 ka1 pian3 tso3 "Le5". M7-tsai1 si7-m7-si7 lan2 Penang e1 lang5 ka1-ki7 kee1 e1......
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Ayo!!! chi(t)-le Forum e mia tioh-be uann co "Penang Hokkien Forum in POJ" :mrgreen:
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Ayo!!! chi(t)-le Forum e mia tioh-be uann co "Penang Hokkien Forum in POJ" :mrgreen:
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Tióh la! Óa siaūⁿ án-ne-khoán tùi óa chin-chiàⁿ hó, "khì siu-chúi ka ē óh-tióh án-choáⁿ siu-chúi". Há-lê sī Mô• Ték-tang (Mao Tse-tung) kóng ê = "learn to swim through swimming"! Ĕ-táu óa ài kha kút-lát siá kha chē chít-khóan ê míh-kiàⁿ. Hí-bāng ū pa-lê-lâng pún su-kah chò.
Goá iōng Mac, só-yí āàáâȧơ lóng-chóng ē-iōng US Extended ê-keyboard siá. Put-kò-ài-siá /ⁿ/ ê-sî tiȯh-boeh-iōng Character Viewer. Goá tong-kim ka /ⁿ/ ka /ɛ/ hɛ¯-liáu tī goá-ê-Character Viewer ê-Favorites.
A, óa chai liáu! Lú sī tit-tit phah-jíp-khì internet ê page. Óa phah ê-sî sī siá tī MS word ê bûn-kiàⁿ (document) thâu-seng, liáu copy ka paste jíp-khì.
"我" Penang lâng kóng /wá/, m¯-sī /ʔoá/, in-ūi pún-lâi sī /gwá/.
Óa start siá "óa" án-ne-khóan sī in-ūi i-ê siaⁿ siâng-ka "kóng-ōa" ê "ōa" , kan-na i-ê siaⁿ bô-siâng niā. Kha chiàⁿ-káng ê POJ iōng "oa" tī kā-liáu ê ūi, i bē piàn chò "wa".
Ki5-sit8, wa2 m7-bat4 thiann1 kue3 lang5 kong2 "Noo7-Le5". Ti3 Ee7-Mui5 tah8-lang5 pun2 kong2 "Nng7 (Noo7) E5". Kan1-nia7 u7 "t" e1 tiam2-siann1 ka1 pian3 tso3 "Le5". M7-tsai1 si7-m7-si7 lan2 Penang e1 lang5 ka1-ki7 kee1 e1.
"Nō•-lê" óa tiāⁿ-tióh bat thiaⁿ kòe, eng-kai sī thiaⁿ Bhante Dhammavuddho kóng ê, ē•-táu óa thiaⁿ-tióh óa ē post tī chit-peng chò chìn-bêng 證明 (á-sī chèng-bêng, óa m chai ?).
Andrew

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Ah-bin wrote: Óa start siá "óa" án-ne-khóan sī in-ūi i-ê siaⁿ siâng-ka "kóng-ōa" ê "ōa" , kan-na i-ê siaⁿ bô-siâng niā. Kha chiàⁿ-káng ê POJ iōng "oa" tī kā-liáu ê ūi, i bē piàn chò "wa".
"Kóng-oā" kî-sít sī /'kɔŋˌua/. Ta-pí "oá" (/ʔua/) chít-lê-jī ka "wá" (/wa/) ê siaⁿ oān-choân bô siâng. Goá siōʼ Hok-kiàn-oā bô /w-/ ê-聲母, kan-ta /gw-/, /hw-/, /sw-/, /tʂw-/ 等 niā. “我" 之外, goá kan-ta ē siōʼ-tiȯh "chá-wá" (kî-sít "cháu-á") niā.

(漢字 = siōʼ-bē-tiȯh i ê-Hok-kiàn miâⁿ)
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